Posted on March 17 2019
I’m a 28-year Green Beret veteran (8 years boots-on-the-ground just in Afghanistan). My family comes from a manufacturing background.
And, I hate the AR-15. 
This sounds like an AA meeting for American veterans, so I better put up a decent argument soon before I’m lynched. Why does the AR suck?
It’s too complex. Any time you have a system that is complex, you have two results: efficiency and fragility.
In the military we are taught that the AR-15 is a fine weapon “as long as you maintain it.” In truth, the design works (80% of the time) in spite of itself, and has gone through so many design iterations that people have lost count. The history of the AR-15 is a history of band-aids.
From front to back:
- The front sight assembly sits ridiculously high because the straight (non-ergonomic) stock has to contain a massive spring and buffer assembly. If the weight or spring compression in that assembly is off just a small amount, it causes malfunction. This design flaw, right out of the gate, causes a huge mechanical offset where the eye lines up around three inches higher than the barrel. That’s why in 2019 you can’t find a new AR-15 with an old school front sight assembly.
- The gas tube is thin, fragile and subject to bending or breaking—usually taking the rifle out of commission.
- The star chamber and bolt face are perhaps the single biggest design flaw of the AR-15. That’s the eight-petaled flower at the front of the bolt. Flowers don’t belong in assault rifles. Some say the star chamber provides accuracy. It does not. Bolt-action sniper rifles don’t have star chambers. They have two or three lug bolts and they are the gold standard for accuracy.
Ask any soldier about weapons inspection and they will tell you the test is worming a pinky in the chamber of the rifle. The pinky never comes out clean and that should give us a clue. The single most important part of the rifle is nearly impossible to keep clean even in a garrison setting. Think about that for a minute: the point where the bolt, bullet, and barrel meet is almost impossible to keep clean in an AR-15.
The lugs on the bolt that lock into the star chamber are essentially a series of gears that if they don’t match up exactly, they cause a failure to feed or a failure to fire. Any number of things can cause the lugs not to pass efficiently through the star portion of the chamber: dirt, heat expansion, ice, wobbly bolt carrier or wear and tear. All can cause a bolt to seat incorrectly in the chamber, or not to extract after firing, causing a whole host of malfunctions. This is one of the reasons the forward assist was developed.
- The extractor, due to its design has issues because it is similar to a teeter-totter that is out of balance. This causes the extractor to want to slip off the rim of the casing causing failure to extract malfunctions. This is particularly evident when the chamber gets fouled from use in combat conditions. Almost all infantry soldiers carry cleaning rods to clear this brutal malfunction so they can knock a spent casing out of the chamber and get back in the fight.
- The bullet itself is a reliability issue. The 5.56 has a relatively long, slightly tapered casing which begs for issues disengaging it from the chamber. And, the casing has to move a long way to disengage. This becomes a monster issue if the bullet casing bulges during firing or if the chamber becomes excessively fouled, leading to failure to extract or half-extraction.
- There is no delay in the bolt moving during the extraction phase and this causes tremendous mechanical resistance. When the bolt carrier begins to move, it tries immediately to turn the bolt without first gaining momentum. If the bolt is stuck to the inside of the chamber due to fouling (or crap ammo like in Vietnam) then there is often not enough energy to knock the bolt back into rotation. There’s no “running start” to dislodge the bullet before turning the bolt. Almost all battle rifles, like the M14, M1 and AK use a delayed rotating bolt. The mass of the bolt carrier, once in motion, wants to stay in motion and hits the bolt like a hammer, knocking it into rotation and into extraction. Not so for the AR-15.
- Also, the steep angle of feed for the bullets has caused more than its fair share of failure to feeds. Overly-strong magazine springs, dirt, burs, or gunk can cause a bullet to hang up as it tries to climb the steep angle.Why do we only load 28 rounds into a 30 round magazine? Say it with me: BAND AID.
- The gas tube dumps carbon and debris into the upper receiver where the bolt carrier relies on a smooth surface to travel, which further exacerbates the tolerance issues with the star chamber. This has us running to piston-type band aid designs these days, as another attempt to fix a fatally-flawed concept.
- The hammer only goes to a 90 degree angle, which is ok, but does not take into account any mishaps, cold or weak primers, or a bolt that is not seated all the way.
- Magazines for the AR-15 used to be notorious for feed lips cracking, springs getting weak, and followers not putting bullets at the correct angle (which still happens with plastic mags all the time.)
- The bolt carrier does not ride on rails, and therefore wobbles as it travels back and forth in the upper receiver. This wobble is one of the contributing factors to the lugs on the bolt face not lining up for proper mating with the chamber—causing other failures to feed. This is another one of the reasons AR’s have a forward assist.
- If the buffer, buffer tube or buffer spring are out of balance, it leads to all manner of malfunctions. When I was at 1st SFG and we were first issued the M4 to replace the M16A2 there was no end of problems because the buffers were not the correct weight which caused weird failures to feed. Once the buffer weight was fixed we ran into problems with the buffer spring tension; more malfunctions. Then we ran into a buffer tube length problem. All of the three had to be working in harmony or we would be going to war with sexy-looking paperweights. Never mind if dirt got into the buffer tube…
I have probably made several AR-15 die-hard’s angry, and for that I apologize.
When all of these arguments are brought to bear, the inevitable retort is this: “If the AR-15 is so bad, why does the United States government use it?” Anyone who has been in the military can attest: we do lots of dumb things, and sometimes we do them for generations.
In testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Maj. Gen. Robert H. Scales said, "American penchant for arming troops with lousy rifles has been responsible for a staggering number of unnecessary deaths…They died because the Army’s weapon buying bureaucracy has consistently denied that a Soldier’s individual weapon is important enough to gain their serious attention.”
Test after test fielded by the U.S. armed services demonstrate that the AR-15 has a litany of problems. These problems are much, much worse for non-professional soldiers such as citizen preppers. On the ReadyMan range, with regular folks appearing with their own AR-15 rifles, grab-bag ammunition, custom modifications and uneven maintenance, our failure rate for shooting ARs runs about 25%.
Granted: professional soldiers with training and dedicated time for rifle maintenance don’t experience quite such horrifying results with the M4, but preppers should beware: just because the U.S. military enjoys buying them, doesn’t mean the AR-15 is the right rifle for gardening one moment, defending your life the next.
If a Tesla car failed 25% of the time, we would lynch Elon Musk and duct tape him to one of his rockets. If our iPhones only worked “when well maintained,” we would’ve chucked them all off a bridge. If our pants failed 19% of the time they went into battle, we’d burn that manufacturer at the stake for being an unpatriotic cost-cutter. For some reason, we’re still buying from Colt.
(Editor's Note: Before you flame a 28-year Green Beret, please be so kind as to read the research attached below. Then, flame away.)
2007 Aberdeen Sandstorm Test. U.S. Army
http://www.warriortalk.com/archive/index.php/t-32165.html
10 Rifles. 60,000 rounds each.
XM8: 127 stoppages.
MK16 SCAR Light: 226 stoppages.
416: 233 stoppages.
M4: 882 stoppages. (3.5 times the second worst, which is also an AR-15)
2006 CNA Corporation Soldier Satisfaction Survey
https://www.cna.org/CNA_files/PDF/D0015259.A2.pdf
“Only” 19% of servicemen reported their M4 experiencing a stoppage during battle.
2014 “Secret Test” of M4A1 Carbine
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/armys-quits-tests-after-competing-rifle-outperform/
Competing rifle outperforms the M4 and Army calls off the test.
"Troops left to fend for themselves after Army was warned of flaws in rifle"
Washington Times article, 2014
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/19/troop-left-to-fend-for-themselves-after-army-was-w/
this has to be the most-lied on and worst article I’ve ever read about a machine. every issue you mentioned is either non-existent or has other reasons for happening that have nothing to do with how “trained” they are. in fact a lot of the issues you’ve mentioned are problems you send the rifle back to the manufacturer for. that’s literally possible build issues you’re listing as platform weaknesses, no test seems to prove that in any amount, not even your shitty ass citing. if you’re a green beret I HONESTLY wouldn’t be surprised. they all are pessimists anyway. trained that way probably I’m sure it isn’t inherently your fault as a human being. I also wouldn’t be very surprised if you weren’t, either way, you’re a lying retard with no statistical merit, it’s almost like this is the first time anyone has claimed this so egregiously in favor of piston-driven gas systems. oh, wait because it is! this whole fucking post is a meme for ak guys to pull out of their ass. the point of di’s is to save the firearm from the exact way an ak 74 or even akm fails (which, if you’ve seen any testing of the like even on a simple youtube video you’d know its the barrel bursting 80% of the time since of course, that was the design choice you apparently never heard of, and we all like thinking of a percentage from 1 to 100 and throwing it on a post and claiming it’s true! and I shall too with the barrel failure percentages of ak. I hate whoever you are for this I really do and I think you must be twelve and have no concept of saving a firearm from itself after 400+ rounds. even if ak can go longer it still does effectively what the di system does but again….with its own barrel…. on an ar that be much worse of a way to let the rifle fail. another thing to mention is that the designers have beefed up the di system and tube before and even vented it at one point. don’t think these things haven’t been thought out before you bubbling idiot
Most of the “information” in this article is garbage and the information and conclusions are literally made up. 20% failure? Based on a survey of infantry which 19% claim of having has a failure….thay doesn’t equate to a 20% failure rate. And to not even provide testing parameters for the other test sighted? And as time has gone on from that nearly 15 year old test, the SCARs have fallen out of favor for several other reasons.
Then knock it for sights being too high because of the stock/buffer? That’s laughable at best.
“Flowers have no place on a gun” because you see more than two or three lugs as a “flower”. Wow buttercup!
Frankly, this guy is an idiot and not making a strong case. But I’ll bet he loves his crappy M1A.
Thank you for the knowledge and insight, I would love to hear your opinions and knowledge on the socom16 if you have any background with it.. I have been wondering if it is worth the price tag, kinda was love at first sight but I would value the input of a skilled and experienced warrior.. thank you for all your sacrifice and devotion, 100% hat in hand, full respect given from me to you
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I see a lot of people being disrespectful! To a fellow Warrior, Who served. Who is still giving because he cares about Americans and humanity like all good Warriors!
Shut the fuck up and stop being an ass hole! Listen or Read! The only reason you have sand in your twat is because you haven’t been OVER THERE! With not just one shitty weapon but both that you were issued the
M-4 and Beretta M-9, both that are never Maintained buy the Company Armors like replacing Fucking Springs and Pins…………
I as well hated the M-4 when I joined. It took me a while to warm up to it and think that it was enough to protect me and to kill mother fuckers, because I didn’t have the option to to carry anything that wasn’t Army issued
( I did carry a saw and other weapons my last was the M-14 EBR :) although I thought the EBR Chassis was bulky O we’ll I didn’t have an option.
Back to the M-4 A1/A4 I ETS’ed soon after the A4 was issued although minor things we’re changed but not helpful.
The first impression I had when I was issued my M-16 in BCT. This Bitc! 5.56 …….
Then followed the fist time I shotgunned it clues pooped up.
It’s never free of carbon in the chamber.
What the fuck kind of bolt face is this?
The hammer well I was just a little bit concerned about that (although not many firearms have over travel hammers but combat weapons should ( for the exact reason the author stated)
Finally the one that really pissed me off and I still loose sleep over this is the buffer assembly as a whole but mainly the the Spring it should have been a flat wire for all of it’s benefits put primarily so it would sound like a fucking rusted ass dump truck was going through one ear and out the other (I think this would have solved a-lot of those issues)
Finally Exactly the buffer tube itself it IS, prone to bending and it should have a hole drilled to clear debris while cycling.
As a follow on, the buffer tube and upper should have channels for the bolt carrier to ride don’t know why this hasn’t been corrected………. Come on COLT GET IT RIGHT!
The replacement will be Something FUBAR like the SCAR! To replace The M-4.
Ha… and the Sig P320 isn’t any better either! Somehow it was better than Glock???? O that’s right it’s made in the USA but that’s not why, SIG gave you a better price! So the U.S. Government could get it’s Soldiers killed in combat!
I DO LIKE THE WEAPON PLATFORM AS A WHOLE Except for the 5.56 (well for varmint hunting I guess it’s ok)
I own AR’s because I can and it’s on my Go List
Solid Points in the article, I have seen or been told by military men of all of these issues. Most of them SEALs, and a sprinkling of other services. Some of the problems are generated by the cartridge case design, some are Stoners basic rifle design. The folks having emotional responses don’t seem to understand, the weapon system including the cartridge are not performing adequately for service personnel.
No amount of insults, belittling or belligerence changes that. It’s just a design that has problems, most semi-auto rifles do not use that design, if you read the article you now know why. The Garand design is far more reliable, but it had problems too, mostly barrel whip, slow rate of fire and heavy.
But the 5.56 NATO is going away, because it is not effective beyond 200 yards against today’s enemy. So yes, a new rifle and a better cartridge are needed. I don’t care if you want to keep your AR15 just be prepared to be out gunned and picked on from 300 yards out by a new rifle with better ammunition, that doesn’t malfunction and a down range projectile with terminal ballistics.
I’ll have one of the new ones, enjoy your AR15.
He’s not telling you fat bodies to stop humping your AR shaped pillows at night. The AR make you feel manly and that’s fine. All he’s saying is If you had to use your rifle every day in varyingly gross conditions you would not want the AR.
Bolt does not unlock until bullet clears gas port.
I’ve had zero reliability problems with my BCM RECCE.
My only complaint is that the platform is almost impossible to make 100%, perfectly mirrored ambi. Next generation gunfighters and their rifles must be ambi for optimal use of cover.
My Desert Tech MDR makes my AR feel like a relic.
Mr. Beret ( I didn’t catch your name)
I respect a man who will speak up against popular opinion. You gave me lots of reasons to consider your belief. Well done.
Thanks for your service, and thanks for the well written article.
Trent Schultz,
Canadian.
Lol at the extreme seething in the comments…seven full pages of asspain
Shit, I might as well contribute to the flamewar while I’m here.
This article is a misguided rant. The majority of the author’s evidence is anecdotal, his few references are cherrypicked and outdated, many of the design critiques he brings up are highly speculative or outright retarded, and he seems to believe that both milspec and civilian AR development was promptly halted the instant he left the service.
I’m pretty sure this schlock was just written to generate rage clicks.
And that’s unfortunate, because there are reliability pitfalls, pros, and cons to both ARs and battle rifles in a boogaloo scenario that people should know about. Such a comparison, written in a rational manner, would probably result in a lot less “faggot” comments.
I own both an AR-15 and a PTR 91. I like my PTR better; I just do. However, where I’m at geographically and what’s going on when SHTF will determine which one I grab…and 90% of the time it’s going to be my AR.
Ok, then what would you recomend when $hit hits the fan? Yeah I love a bolt gun but when push comes to shove I’ll take the Ar. ;)
All you turds who think that milspec=garbage are literally retarded. Generally, milspec guns work best, its you idiots that put the hi speed bullshit in your triggers and bcg’s and gas blocks that make excuses for why yours had a malfunction.
Or that calling an ar15 an m4 is a ‘liberal talking point’ are brain dead. Its the same exact gun, minus an extra hole in the lower.
Yes, m4’s CAN be reliable guns. If you do it correctly. Which neither the army nor marines do. I earned the right to not capitalize shit, so fuck off.
Oh, YOURS has never malfunctioned? Well, princess, thats cuz you dont train. No, you dont.
Oh, you watched a movie on the youtoobs?? Wow, cool story, bro.
Literally know a guy whose gun NEVER malfunctions, it just sometimes doesnt eject a round all the way, or chamber one. But it never malfunctions.
You dumb fucks are that retarded.
The BESTEST MOST TOUGHEST ar15 is a milspec one. With the 0 ring and proper springs and buffer. And good magazines.
Ak’s have been that reliable since 1965, ar15’s since 2015. Partly because they didnt have a good magazine until like, 2007.
Thats a big difference.
Thats a big deal.
Yall now have my permission to fuck off. Ya bunch of fuckin fetuses. No,-shootin sunszabitches
I always take my advice from 28 year olds that simply parrot what others have been saying for decades. With those skills, he could run for office and read off a teleprompter.
I read not only comments but the articles and I must say I agree with the man. Truth be told, most possible reason to keep band aiding the AR 15 platform is the same reason why in Vietnam they did not re issue the m14’s they already had…and it might have something to do with deniability of failure and gun manufacturing lobby. Take into consideration that same stubborness was the winning point for adopting the 7.62 nato rather than the british and belgium cartridge and the FALs served alongside the M16 in vietnam in the ANZAAC forces….with same results…..FALs were overall better in sustained operation….same as G3s, that is why they keep popping up worldwide and despite being most likely over 50 years old guns, in continouos service, they still fire decently. Although must be acknowledged the great improvements done to the AR15 platform…and yes, it is a better sealed gun…..not necessarely better overall. After HK redesigned some of it, the 416 and M27 have dealt with a lot…..but as much as you patch a broken vase, it lies broken still.
I think it has received enough overhaul to be considered “decent”……but if I had to bet my life on it….I would choose “proven, successful and reliable” and in that regard, an AR15 would not be my choice.
OK Boomer.
Seriously. I bet you still rock a Garand and a 1911, or at least an M1A and a 1911A1.
The writer of this article is a faggot of the highest caliber and a fudd. the ar15 is easily the best choice due to availability of ammu tion popularity and the sheer amount of parts not to mention simplicity and the ease of assembly. also the writer is just ass mad he got fucked for 83%apr on a dogshit red mustang.
>Let me inform people how military-issue weapons are bad for preppers, despite the fact civilians have no access to military-issue weapons in the first place and instead buy aftermarket guns with better QC and performance because they aren’t cheaping out on costs like what the government does on a everything.
>Let me also cover my tracks by stating I served in the military. Because serving in the military automatically makes me the arbiter of gun arguments. Yeah, that’ll keep those trolls at bay.
>I’ll also post sources, but they’re more than a decade old, or not released by sources that actually work on firearms.
So were you just a clerk for the Green Berets for the past 28 years, or did you just buy a green beret 28 years ago?
>Using your dd214 blanket to validate your opinions
>Note knowing that the HK 416 is not an AR15 that doesn’t even use the same gas operation
>When you use a military bottom bidding rifle to say ‘ar15 shit’
>when you think you can’t mortar an AR15
>when you haven’t seen the inrangetv mud test to show that a modern AR15 is better than an AK in mud
>when you think the almost literal lego playset of a rifle is complicated and doesn’t take barely a youtube video to build one
>when you barely seem to understand how your rifle works despite using your dd214 blanket to defend your option
Is this a satire page?
I hop this is a troll atricle, I really do.
If not, then it goes to show you have no actual idea on how the M4/M16/AR15 works. This article was a spew fest of misinformation. Also having to tout a DD214 so people will think your an “expert” is also bullshit. Go shoot your Tapco SKS and hang yourself with a RATS.
28 years of service? Take that, your DD214, and a couple of bucks, a bungee cord you call a fucking TQ, go have a coffee and shut the fuck up.
Name a single military that uses the AR 15. I’ll be waiting forever because there isn’t one. Liberal bullshit talking point. Just like that shit you shill as coffee, bullshit.
If you have an IQ above room temperature, the AR isn’t a problem to maintain.